Tulpa.info - tulpa-questions-2

Sexual gratification is fleeting

6:17 PM

That's the crux of the entire argument right? That they should be able to make their own decisions/opinions

Maybe they're lurkers who secretly hope for more imposing guides?

6:20 PM

Probably not, just a silly thought

lurkers?

People who read messages

6:21 PM

But don't post

ban those

6:21 PM

kinda creepy ngl

Yeah I agree, reading stuff is for losers

im not being 100% serious

6:21 PM

but i do think its weird

6:21 PM

to sit in a vc or text channel

6:21 PM

and watch and not say anything

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This is precisely what I meant

Typically they are thinking about the content

You would be surprised how many people download pdfs of tulpa guides

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well people will think tulpa sex is this big thing but its not as good as ppl make it out to be

I personally like to believe I have a small fan club of lurkers. And I appreciate all of you

poochball

well people will think tulpa sex is this big thing but its not as good as ppl make it out to be

I agree. Which is why they won't stick around long enough to form sufficiently developed tulpas

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6:23 PM

And therefore there is no problem

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well kinda is if people come here thinking tulpas are for sex

6:24 PM

which is why more ressources should be made

6:24 PM

or maybe more accessible

It's also possible to have wonderland sex without tulpas involved. While it's not a topic I'm particularly interested in, I would be curious what their perspectives are

6:26 PM

Kopase made a video on waifu tulpas that made a lot of people angry

6:26 PM

It caused a split in that community (edited)

A long kiss goodnight

It caused a split in that community (edited)

Oh, interesting. I didn't know it caused so much drama

A long kiss goodnight

Kopase made a video on waifu tulpas that made a lot of people angry

which one was that controversial? (edited)

https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431895537978048535/700811315605667941

6:27 PM

Kopase released it there

poochball

well kinda is if people come here thinking tulpas are for sex

In that case, I think it's a great thing. Because people will learn more about tulpas

6:28 PM

Learning is good

6:28 PM

They'll learn what they are not

6:28 PM

Indeed. We've learned a TON of stuff from tulpamancy

6:29 PM

Because it involves picking at your brain and figuring out how your mind works

So, a tulpa's desires won't always line up with the host's. How many times have you seen a tulpa and host disagree on food, music, etc? Probably plenty of times. They can have a conflict of interests. That means that nonconsensual sex is possible. It would only be impossible if a tulpa had no independent will. And that would just be an imaginary friend.

@Abvieon {Alex} - jump Those you mentioned are preferences

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And yet here I am wanting to get into gaming as someone who doesn't play them x3 (edited)

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Nat Osaka

In that case, I think it's a great thing. Because people will learn more about tulpas

ressources for tulpas should be more easily accessible

poochball

ressources for tulpas should be more easily accessible

They are?

6:30 PM

Oh I'm aware they can be

I'm not saying it's a common widespread thing that happens, but... the very nature of what a tulpa is automatically means that it is possible to do something to a tulpa non-consensually

There is that risk for sure. But I need something to involve myself in for fun. I don't have that right now.

6:31 PM

I have enjoyable things like programming, but it's not easy, and it's not relaxing

Nat Osaka

They are?

i heard reddit is worst place for info

Abvieon {Alex}

So, a tulpa's desires won't always line up with the host's. How many times have you seen a tulpa and host disagree on food, music, etc? Probably plenty of times. They can have a conflict of interests. That means that nonconsensual sex is possible. It would only be impossible if a tulpa had no independent will. And that would just be an imaginary friend.

A character is also capable of having different opinions or even reacting somewhat like a normal person would to harmful scenarios. Unfortunately, having a different opinion doesn't necessarily prove sentience or autonomy. It feels ironic making that claim, I wonder if context is really important or mindset trumps all in this case.

poochball

i heard reddit is worst place for info

Tulpa.info has a forum you know

6:32 PM

With lots of guides

6:32 PM

That's where tulpa.info began

Nao

So, a tulpa's desires won't always line up with the host's. How many times have you seen a tulpa and host disagree on food, music, etc? Probably plenty of times. They can have a conflict of interests. That means that nonconsensual sex is possible. It would only be impossible if a tulpa had no independent will. And that would just be an imaginary friend.

@Abvieon {Alex} - jump Those you mentioned are preferences

A tulpa can say "no" to something, right? And that should be respected?

I have spoken to others on Reddit and from the few times I was on there I think the advice given is perfectly fine. The issue with Reddit is it's really hard to find anything that's talked about

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Use immersion skills to become the drone ^w^ Looks like so much fun!

A long kiss goodnight

I have spoken to others on Reddit and from the few times I was on there I think the advice given is perfectly fine. The issue with Reddit is it's really hard to find anything that's talked about

yes

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wtf do tulpas have to do with fpv drones

Read up lol

A long kiss goodnight

A character is also capable of having different opinions or even reacting somewhat like a normal person would to harmful scenarios. Unfortunately, having a different opinion doesn't necessarily prove sentience or autonomy. It feels ironic making that claim, I wonder if context is really important or mindset trumps all in this case.

And a tulpa is not a character? A tulpa actually possesses consciousness and an internal experience. A character does not and if they do that's not a character, that's a tulpa.

Abvieon {Alex}

And a tulpa is not a character? A tulpa actually possesses consciousness and an internal experience. A character does not and if they do that's not a character, that's a tulpa.

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I don't get why "is nonconsensual sex with tulpas possible " even being argued about here? I'm sorry but most of what is being said here genuinely makes no sense to me. A host is capable of making their tulpa upset, a host is capable of doing something their tulpa doesn't like, and tulpas above all others should know this

OK nitpick squad here on the scene... I'd say it needs two bodies to be sex

6:40 PM

So I think you are wrong, technically.

Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈

OK nitpick squad here on the scene... I'd say it needs two bodies to be sex

Pfft, amateur!

That's definitely nitpicky!

6:41 PM

I agree

Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈

OK nitpick squad here on the scene... I'd say it needs two bodies to be sex

its still sex

6:41 PM

a form of it

let me catch up on the discussion

You shouldnt

Alright~ I'll be heading out. Nice talking everyone!

6:41 PM

o/

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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

let me catch up on the discussion

Nice timing

thanks, i spent a lot of time on my timing skills

So I think what we are talking about is a mental problem, and should be seen as a system wide problem.

Yeah whatever a tulpa and host do together is not physical. But it is still "real" in a certain sense because the experiences matter and have an impact - are conversations between a tulpa and host not real, just because they're experienced internally?

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I agree it's real, but it's internal, so not to be conflated with an external relationship. There are different considerations when it's one brain.

sex with a tulpa is just masturbation

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6:44 PM

i mean you don't need to even get physical with the body, i mean it as just an equivalent

KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

sex with a tulpa is just masturbation

Well yeah, that's the term for it!

brain being sexy with itself

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6:45 PM

help my hand doesn't want to cooporate in masturbation, is it immoral to force it to do it?

It's a bit more complex when you've got more than one person in that brain though

Abvieon {Alex}

I don't get why "is nonconsensual sex with tulpas possible " even being argued about here? I'm sorry but most of what is being said here genuinely makes no sense to me. A host is capable of making their tulpa upset, a host is capable of doing something their tulpa doesn't like, and tulpas above all others should know this

I argue this point because the line between a tulpa and character can be really blurry and to me it's not clear how independent a tulpa actually is. I don't have everything though out just yet, but my line of thinking is there could be a balance that prevents suffering due to a lack of autonomy and gaining autonomy also means the host/system will respect their tulpa's autonomy. In short, if you don't really believe your tulpa has a choice, they don't have autonomy to begin with, if you do believe they have a choice, you will respect it. I'm not sure what all of the caveats and exceptions are though

if you have a situation in your brain when you even need to bothered by consensus with those things, it means you have imbalanced system things like that should be mutual almost immediately. otherwise it gets unnecessary drama

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Abvieon {Alex}

It's a bit more complex when you've got more than one person in that brain though

It can be, I agree. Depends, tho.

if you believe that they dont have a choice thats wrong as they do

but i can't talk about it much, we never even got anything like that

Abvieon {Alex}

It's a bit more complex when you've got more than one person in that brain though

but it shouldn't be complex (edited)

6:46 PM

why make it complex?

6:46 PM

you are a tulpamancer, you are making that experience

6:47 PM

why would you want it to be complex?

6:47 PM

just to validate your separateness?

I think it can be complex initially since it's all very new, but needless drama is to be avoided for a healthy system and system members.

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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

just to validate your separateness?

i would ask u to stop as ur sounding like a troll and ur gonna cause people paranoia if they come in here and are new tulpas are seperate from the host (edited)

Heaven knows we've had a bit of drama in our system in the past but that's behind us now, and led to some good introspection and personal growth.

This circles back to the old debate of whether or not your beliefs about a tulpa dictates everything about what the tulpa actually is. I don't believe that your beliefs have absolute control over a tulpa. Maybe early on when they are forming, yes. But once they've got their own autonomy and sense of self - you no longer hold that type of control over them. For instance, if someone decides they want to consider their well-developed tulpa just an imaginary friend, does that instantly turn the tulpa into an imaginary friend and removes their sentience, autonomy, everything they've built up in their development? Nope!

poochball

i would ask u to stop as ur sounding like a troll and ur gonna cause people paranoia if they come in here and are new tulpas are seperate from the host (edited)

i would ask you to stop telling people to stop (edited)

I find in-system sex to be weird if I wanted a SO of my own, and we found that to be a good decision for us. I know that doesn't work for everyone though.

Abvieon {Alex}

This circles back to the old debate of whether or not your beliefs about a tulpa dictates everything about what the tulpa actually is. I don't believe that your beliefs have absolute control over a tulpa. Maybe early on when they are forming, yes. But once they've got their own autonomy and sense of self - you no longer hold that type of control over them. For instance, if someone decides they want to consider their well-developed tulpa just an imaginary friend, does that instantly turn the tulpa into an imaginary friend and removes their sentience, autonomy, everything they've built up in their development? Nope!

it's not actually your beliefs, those beliefs can be outside of your control once they are in the brain

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6:50 PM

but you do have control while those beliefs are being formed (edited)

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poochball

i would ask u to stop as ur sounding like a troll and ur gonna cause people paranoia if they come in here and are new tulpas are seperate from the host (edited)

She's not trolling, please calm down